CBC Radio 3 Blog - Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by cathyort

Good morning Tariq!

I most

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Riggs

good morning...... i miss the west coast.

in reference to your question.... because of radio 3 i am able to hear far more excellent music which i do not have time to see in the bars.... i have requested cd's for christmas...

i would buy more cds if i knew of an easy way to get them.... maybe a link on the band profile to a cbc store ???

maybe you guys could sell cd's/mp3's with the art and a box of mac n cheese as a promo, to get the ball rolling....

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by mynameismoe

the zolas are awesome. saw them in charlottetown when they opened for smothered in hugs & immaculate machine. i wish i bought their cd!

at shows, i love the merch table. way too much. if there are posters or pins, i'm instantly sold. i also have a thing for t-shirts, but being a smaller female, they rarely fit me (although bands have gotten much better at having womens small & medium in stock!). once i fix my record player, vinyl will be another weakness.

i don't buy albums in stores so much because every time i walk in, i can never narrow it down. it's a dangerous slope, once i start, i can't stop. my list is constantly growing, so i try to stick to buying at shows.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by You Say Duncan I Say Woof

Personally, I find when I "illegally" download I tend to spend more.

How you wonder - I tend to download an artist I hear about by word of mouth & if I like what I hear I buy the album. And I would more likely to buy concert tickets if I have already heard the band before hand.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by cathyort

...certainly don't know how that last post got submitted.

Anyway, as I was saying, I most certainly do spend money on music (a whole lot more when my husband is working). And I'm adamant about not downloading music illegally (numerous fights with my 15 year old over this one). My $$ mostly go to mp3s, CDs and concert tickets (I'm not much on buying other merch).

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Absolutely!

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

When it is worth paying for, people will pay for it.

I have a friend who has said the solution to illegal album downloading is for labels to revisit putting out WHOLE albums of good music in stead of holding back and using albums as a vehicle for 1 or 2 good songs bookended with filler.

Case in point. I came into a copy of Joel Plaskett's Three ahead of its release. Since it's release I have: bought it (as well as the three song EP) at iTunes; the vinyl version at his show here in the summer (as well as the three song 7").

Another example: Broken Social Scene. Fell in love with that band when a friend shared Feel Good Lost with me. Back when music sharing was your obligation as a fan and not the skid mark it is now. I liked that album so much, I sought out and downloaded others. I like them so much I proceeded to buy everything I could in iTunes. Then when I revisited my vinyl collecting, BSS was the first entire discography I collected on vinyl.

So if your music is good enough, yes I will check it out the 'illegal' way first if I can before its release. But when it's good I will buy the album. And when it's really good, I will buy it twice.

Make good albums and people WILL pay for it.

That's why vinyl is SO damned popular right now — you're getting a whole hell of a lot of value for your hard earned dollars. Even in a recession.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by electricloud

I don't download music (illegally) as much anymore now as I did when it was the new "thing-to-do." In fact, it's very rare that I do so nowadays, since most artist websites provide downloads or streaming downloads. As lesser-known musician, myself, I've always looked at downloading tunes (legally or illegally) a great way to find new music, and a great way to be found by downloaders.

That said, I'm a collector. I'm proud of my CD collection. It's huge! Downloaded albums only go so far for me. I like to have the real thing in my hands. When I download something that I later decide was a terrible idea, there's no buyer's remorse when I click delete. On the other hand, when I download something cool, I can't wait to go to my local music store (X-Ray Records in Regina) and pick it up or order it!

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by danir

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by danir

hmm, so apparently accidentally pressing enter means i submit a blank comment

good morning Tariq!

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by MoniSki

At the moment, I spend most of my music money on seeing shows. Then, if I really enjoyed what I heard at the show, I'll buy a record, or cd. I'm also a sucker for pins, so I'll probably purchase one of those as well.

Also, I haven't heard this The Wooden Stars song in a long time! love it :)

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by eggsbenny

Evening Hymns comes out today!!!!! Very excited.

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Shanthrax

I'm an illegal downloader BUT 60% of my "misc" budget goes to live shows, where I buy merch - usually in vinyl form. That way, the money goes directly to the artist. I suppose this is leading to the demise of the record store though - a sad thing!

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by stevierayk

I've definitely grown attached to itunes, I love that when the urge to get a new record (yes, I calls um records) I just go upstairs and voila!

I'm actually afraid to get a turntable as there are far too many things I'd love to have on vinyl, all considerably more costly now than when I bought them when I was 13

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Glyph

I attempt to hear bands live as they pass through town (paying cover) and I'm more likely to buy the band's CD if they have a good set (rather than hunt online for that elusive d/l). I'd say on average I see 2 live bar concerts a month and 1 big concert (seeing TSO in Minneapolis in 2 weeks) per year.

Digital music is great mobility wise but it can be quite addicting and thereby high in cost. As I tend to listen to a variety of music and mostly R3 I tend to buy CD/music that supports bands I hear on this station or live. I think one solution to the CD/music purchasing would be to allow R3 users to download their playlists as a podcast. Now that would be amazing!

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Badfish

I have to say, I used to download music a lot but I rarely do so anymore due to R3 and other free online sources. If I'm at home, r3 is streaming on my stereo. If I'm at work, some sort of music is streaming, myspace, r3, npr, etc. In the car: always podcasts.

For me, purchasing CD's really doesn't fill a need I have anymore. I found that when I did "illegally download" I was just satisfying my thirst for a wide variety of music that a single CD or a free [and highly commercialized] radio station just didn't fill.

That being said, I now find that the local music scene is much more accessible for me and I do attend far more concerts and events than I have ever done before.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by nsgal

I tend to spend more money than I should on music, especially as an unemployed student!

I do download some music off of mp3 blogs and other 'illegal' sources, but a lot of my downloads come from iTunes (damn that instant gratification) too. I go to quite a few concerts, probably 1-2 times a month, and the pull of the merch table is generally irresistable. The majority of my CD collection is from merch tables at shows, and I sometimes end up buying hard copies of albums that I already have in mp3 form.

So yes, I do download, but I also spend quite a bit on legit forms of music.

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Music By The Bay Live

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by mynameismoe

did the player go skippy there for anyone else?

oh. concerts. i forgot about concerts. i go to a ridiculous amount of shows. the past 2 or 3 weeks, i think there were maybe 3 nights where i didn't go to a show? (it's been expensive.. oh man) i am also well known for hopping in someones car and traveling the 4 hour drive to halifax to see a show. i flew to new york to see radiohead (along with new pornographers and michael franti), and drove to toronto to see nine inch nails. i buy my clothes second hand (uh or at shows), & don't usually drink a whole lot. i also don't smoke, so don't really have much else to spend my money on. photography and music are my two addictions.

i used to download a lot of music, but not so much anymore. i feel i don't need to anymore. a lot of what i like to listen to is already on radio 3, or the bands themselves have music on their website/myspace. if i like it, i WILL buy it. even if i already downloaded it. i love having the physical thing in my hand. i love looking at the album art. the liner notes. everything about it. even fighting with the damn plastic wrap (which i have down to a science!)

i only download from itunes if it's free. do they still make it impossible to move itunes stuff around? anyway. if i'm paying for music, i want a hard copy. call me old fasioned...

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@stevierayk

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

I know! Like you I am still looking for that popup cover version of Twisted Sister's Come Out and Play album. But thanks to the internet, I found it. And for more reasonable than you'd think.

Also, everyone needs Dream Police and Live at Budokan on vinyl. Again.

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@stevierayk p.2

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

Here's where you can get Come Out and Play.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by pbandjelly

I spend my music dollars on live shows and my monthly emusic subscription. If the album art is especially cool I sometimes pick up the cd.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by mynameismoe

apparently i think i have a lot to say on this subject.

/ramble

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by hgummo

I have a limited budget and I can't spend as much on albums as I would like... so I buy some, download some, and get some from friends. And while I would rather be supporting these artist by buying all of their albums, I feel like the artist is benefiting by my having their album no matter how I get it, because the more I hear, the more inclined I will be to buy a ticket for their show. I think there is a lot of truth to the article linked above - I download music but I also spend a lot of money going to shows and will be much more likely to buy an album from an artist I've been exposed to through downloading in the future.

12 Tonar is awesome! Anyone who goes to Reykjavik should definitely make a stop there.

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I feel I should add...

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by electricloud

I kind of looking at it as buying a complete piece of art. While the recorded sound is the most important part of that art (I won't even get into quality loss when listening to compressed mp3 files), I believe the whole thing was made as it was for a reason. Someone wants to present their art to the collector in its complete form. I think a lot of recording artists end up putting up their music for sale on the internet because they feel they have to. And honestly, the kind of do have to, because that's where the majority of music sales are being made. The younger crowd downloads music exclusively. They're not interested in waiting for the CD they ordered a week ago. They want their gratification now. Unfortunately, all of the work that goes into the packaging isn't as much of a concern.

A recorded album is typically a group effort. Someone is hired for all the different aspects of the album, not the least of which is the album art and layout. But who cares as long as you have the mp3s now, right?

*sigh*

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@electricloud

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by mynameismoe

maybe i just stick to a specific circle of friends, but i'm actually starting to see a lot of emphasis put on an album as a whole.

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another reason why I buy physical copies of albums...

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by nsgal

Liner notes. I love liner notes. From the artwork to the thank yous to the list of musicians contributing to the album, I love having a hard copy of my music just so I can admire the quirks at merit of the liner notes!

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@tb3

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by stevierayk

Now I can die happy, and rocking too!

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by You Say Duncan I Say Woof

Is there a You Tube link or something to see the Walmart commercial that uses this song?

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@ Riggs (2)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Buying ceedees: virtually every band has, among others, a MySpace page that often contains a sales system or is connected to one. It should be really easy to buy, I think. I say that because I've never done it.

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To: mynameismoe

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by electricloud

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you saying your friends focus more on albums as a whole, or are you saying artists focus more on presenting the album as a whole?

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How I spend my Money

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

Well I go to quite a few concerts like most of other R3 listeners I know. When I'm at show I will on occasion buy some merch. As for the CD's I don't really buy them that offen any more as i like to buy my albums on vinyl if it is available. I typically buy one record a pay check it is my treat to me every two weeks.

Tariq seeing you know the guys from Brasstronaut quite well do you know if there is going to be a vinyl issue of there new album when it comes out? I was going to ask the last time you and the band were in Calgary but I had to catch the last train out of downtown before the concert was over.

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Getting music

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Sterling Potato Vernacular

I still refuse to buy anything from itunes, even though I'm told they lifted the DRM. I'm happy to buy anything from an artist's site for around $10. Zunior.com is a good second choice, and it's less than $9. CDs are antiquated (sorry, collectors) and it bugs the crap out of me when it's the only way I can get an album, because I have to pay for the plastic, and rip it to mp3. Still better than itunes, but mostly I won't bother.

Does anybody know how much of the $1 apple takes? I'm guessing it's the lion's share. Anyways it's an unnecessary pain in the butt.

And hey, when I downloaded Elliot Brood's latest Casey sent me a nice email. You don't get that from itunes.

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and

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Sterling Potato Vernacular

I wish I was cool enough to buy vinyl

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@you say Duncan I Say Woof

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Tariq Hussain

Here's a link to the Wal Mart commercial featuring "You've Got A Place Called Home":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-to455HBymU

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@ cathyort; others too

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

C., re downloading: careful you don't get toooooo adamant with your youngster, as many bands approve of downloading, or at least accept it.

Editorial: downloading is inevitable now. I heard on the radio a report of someone who had asked a 14-year-old about future trends (he figured "who better"?). The kid told him, about downloading, that NOT ONE of his friends HAD EVER BOUGHT A CD.

The genie is out of the bottle and isn't going back in.

Think of computers, of iPods, of dirt-cheap memory. Eh!

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by markgage

I buy music if i truly love the artist. Especially if they are a new artist as i know they need the support. I spend money on live shows, and usually buy the CD if I am impressed. I think that the access that free downloading provides only helps the artist by giving them exposure. I have purchased CD's from artist i found through R3 that i would not have known otherwise. I think downloading is balancing the scales between corporate music and indie music.

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@Benoit

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by cathyort

It's her reasoning that bothers me: "Musicians are rich so why should I pay for their music?" I suppose in her universe (mostly the flavor of the week rap song, yech) it may be true, but I'm pretty sure Limewire is still illegal, non?

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@electricloud

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by mynameismoe

i meant the cd as a whole package. not just a downloaded file. the art, notes, and stuff.

eeps. having trouble keeping up. too much going on! i am probably not making much sense. i need more coffee or sleep. preferably both.

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@ Tariq Hussain

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by You Say Duncan I Say Woof

Thanks. I have seen that on TV & I just didn't realize who it was >_<

That happens a lot. I wish more commercials let us know who did the songs they use.

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@ cathyort

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by You Say Duncan I Say Woof

Maybe she is talking about super groups like Metallica, U2 or most Pop stars

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by brentchicken

Used to wander into Soundscapes in Toronto and blow $150 per trip...now I've runout of space for CDs so I shop online for the digitals...from an environmental perspective (and sheer convenience) no other choice makes sense to me anymore. Don't have time/money for shows with a young family, so online allatime for me (legalized, gotta pay those hard workers) .

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@You Say Duncan I Say Woof

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by cathyort

Metallica and U2 would be significant upgrades to her usual listening fare...

She loves Nickelback, need I say more?

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@Sterling Potato Vernacular

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

I think you are cool enough to buy vinyl.

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@cathyort

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Maybe you could encourage her to go to concerts? If she's listening to big name artists, that'd probably take her entire music budget anyways, and it'd introduce her to the idea that there are some forms in which art/music is worth paying for, even if the artist does have a lot of money already.

As for whether the artists she's listening to are rich: my limited understanding of the music industry suggests that they're probably getting exploited by their labels, so they probably aren't that rich, but downloading isn't the culprit.

And yes, it's still illegal. But that's not likely to stop anyone.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by brentchicken

This has nothing to do with anything, really, but when we were watching the last Winter Olympics on CBC there was a commercial about an Olympic gala that was replaying over and over. The narrator kept pronouncing Nickelback's band name in a way that sounded to us like 'Nipplefat'. So that's their name in our house now...before they were Celine Nickelsette.

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@Tariq!!

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

You are an employee of this here web site and you can't even use the HTML link button when composing a comment? For shame T, for shame!

Also, while I am bitchin' please remember to put a "NSFP" prior to posting links that might affect of little girls that don't want to think about the day they drop their baby off at university, lest they get a little misty.

This also applies to ALL Bell Christmas time commercials, and some Tim Horton's ones too.

Oh, and

*NSFW = Not Safe For Parents

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between "affect" and "of"

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

goes the word "parents"

--

tb3

proud owner of comment 47 missing a word

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@tb3

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Tariq Hussain

Yes, it does tug on the ol' heartstrings doesn't it. Tim Horton's too. Pictures and music together = emotion I guess.

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@T

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

(you don't mind if I call you T, right?)

I was ill prepared for the last 'scene' of the commercial where the Mom is walking away and the daughter comes running out of the dorm for the hug. Shit I am getting misty typing about it.

Ha!

It's like the Bell commercial where the stone faced Dad gives the girl the cell phone as a present. She leaves thinking he doesn't care, and then the present rings.

Hello eye plumbing.

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@Absotively

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by cathyort

Oh, she's campaigning for concerts, unfortunately tres expensive ones, or ones I'm not quite ready to let her go to without parental presence (if you saw her you'd understand).

I keep trying to turn her on to K'naan, Sweatshop Union, Abstract Artform (love them!), ah, but you know teenagers, if mom likes it, by adolescent law they must dislike it.

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@cathyort

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Well, the good news than is that she does want to spend money supporting musicians, just not in the form you'd prefer.

Maybe you and some of her friends' parents could take turns chaperoning a small group? I highly recommend good earplugs, they are awesome for lowering the volume of the music and letting you hear conversations, and while I love them for going to see music I like, they'd probably be even more fantastic for going to see music I didn't like.

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Grammar: still hard

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

"than" should be "then"

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@cathyort

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

For what it's worth, my holy house of music John Denver, Roger Whitaker, Harry Belafonte and Neil Diamond comes directly from the music of my youth that I remember very fondly as stuff my Dad blared when I was a teen metal head too cool to pay attention.

Kids grow up and realize one day that their parents were pretty cool people. And that is when they cling to those little lessons you thought they were never listening to.

One day your daughter is going to be that adult.

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Work today

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

I would just like to take this moment to tell you all about a new movement I am championing at work. Tweed and Tie Tuesday or (TaTT) so far we have myself and another fellow participating and I must we look quite debonair.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

I guess I could quit being one of those annoying childless people who gives parenting advice* and answer the poll question.

I have a smallish emusic subscription, which I tend to forget about and not use up. I'm better about it now that I got the one that only rolls over every three months.

I go to at least a couple concerts a month. There are a lot more that I want to go to, but I'm not always up for spending every night in a bar, and they end up being expensive because I usually buy a CD and/or T-shirt. For some reason, I tend to buy merch from the opener and not the headliner. I don't plan it that way, so I'm not sure why.

I also buy about two or three albums a month. Sometimes CD, sometimes mp3, occasionally now vinyl. I like having a physical version, but I'll get mp3s if it's hard to find, or an artist I don't know well.

I don't download music illegally much these days, but TV is another matter.

* I didn't mean to, it just kind of happened. I'll try to do better in the future. Sorry.

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@Tariq

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

I've been away from r3 for awhile (sad.) but i'm back now (happy!). I remember hearing you getting ready to go to Iceland; good to hear that it was a successful trip (it was, right?) It must have been pretty cool, Iceland being such a nice, little, unique, quirky place. All the stories I've read from there have been really cool. This article was really interesting and funny..although somewhat distressing as well; during the last decade Iceland really built up their "Financial Services Sector" (sarcasm AND mock quotes) and they were rocked by the subprime crash. Was there any signs of economic distress while you were there? I believe there currency was completely devalued...no matter what must have been a very interesting trip.

Poll question: I do spend money on music but it varies. Anywhere from a couple bucks a month to several hundred dollars over a month (probably usually around $70/month on average, an album or two, a show or two = me satisfied)

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@keydive

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

TaTT sounds like a barrel full o monkeys of fun..who doesn't like the prof look?

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@boders

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

Oh it is a barrel full o monkeys of fun. Add Movmeber in on top of that and you can have the prof look down to a tee.

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TaTT

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

What about Square Bottom Knit Tie day?

I know SBKT doesn't have the same ring like TaTT does, come on Square Bottom Ties You make the rockin' world go round.

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@ cathyort (38)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Lime Wire illegal? Sure, according to RIAA. However, P2P site like that are on the Web, aren't they? The law really has yet to be made, in a manner of speaking. After all, many things that are admittedly illegal -- say selling Mary Jiuanna -- you just don't find on the WWW, right?

That said, the morality of downloading (or peer-to-peer duplication) is a muddy subject.

The thing is that, as always, reality trumps morality.

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@ cathyort (43)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Aaaaaaaaah, that litmus test of musical tastes (and other values), Nickelback!

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Where the money all goes............

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Katto H

I spend MOST of my entertainment funds going to see live shows. I especially like to see smaller bands (Biltmore is my favourite venue in town too - but also love the Railway and Media club). I like buying music directly from the bands at their gigs, vinyl or CD. I feel better about buying music directly from the artists as I hope this means they'll enjoy more of the profits. I know it doesn't add to their "record sales" but hopefully it gives them more money to keep touring and creating the music I know and love. Even if I do end up with a little extra plastic.

I won't go to stadium shows, but would spend more money to go to music festivals. Sasquatch is one of my favourite, more costly festivals to attend. Great bands, amazing scenery.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

I would tend to agree with the article that Tariq cited from the Independent about illegal downloaders spending more money on music than those who dont. I'll have to go back and read it again (i did a while ago) but wasn't it actually based on a study?

My anecdotal piece of evidence is a buddy of mine who would probably fall under the category of the 1% of torrenters that our shitty ISP's cite as the reason they need to shape traffic (read throttle) He does ungodly amounts of illegal downloading but he spends more money than anyone I know on CD's and DVD's. I call him the King of Media.

I don't engage in very much suspect downloading but do occasionally. Example: I have purchased the Smashing Pumpkins entire discography over my life but all of those albums were not ripped to the computer I brought with me when I moved out west. I did not hesitate to find a torrent of them..

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downloading and future trends

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by slkdsb

I don't think we should assume that "what today's youth" say or do now reflects all their future patterns and the future of music. They grow, their patterns change. I know mine did. Adolescence tends to be more about getting away with what you can than about careful budgeting of resources and nuanced decisions involving theories about intellectual property.

For years, my music budget was $0.00 (grad student with 2 kids at the time). Dowloading and listening to streaming music opened up my music universe. Now I buy the cd if I like more than one song and have heard it enough times to know I won't immediately tire of it.

My teenage daughter spends her money on concerts and has paid her fair share. I have successfully turned her onto some R3 music and she has also, in turn, turned me onto some R3 bands. Though I still hate a lot of the music she listens to and there is plenty of mine she could do without. But, when i was a teenager, there were only a handful of bands that everyone listened to. While that meant we shared a certain common culture, downloading has expanded the breadth of music options out there for her generation and I suspect they'll all grow into responsible music consumers as they find their place in the music multiverse as well.

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@keydive

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

Oh yeah! I forgot you were in Movember too! Awesome...I have to remember to save a few bucks off of my next paycheque for yourself and AlexOfAnders

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@Benoit

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

To be honest, I still don't understand why Nickelback is the litmus test. I mean, I'm not fond of them, but neither do I hate them.

The Black Eyed Peas, now, they're terrible. But Nickelback? Not that awful, really.

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Re: DO YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY ON MUSIC? CD’s, concert tickets?

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by MusicSoop

I'd own two houses and a Ferrari by now except I spend almost all my money going to shows and buying music and musical instruments. Never downloaded anything illegally. Almost always buy a CD or shirt at shows, especially if the artists are Canadian 'cause they traveled a long way to get here.

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@ Abso

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Experience isn't necessarily required to give advice. Even good advice. It helps, but anyone can have good sense. Even you.*

The reverse is also true. I've seen so many parents who give p.c. prescriptions for kids that are pure b.s. Often underestimating kids tooootally.

*And you do.

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@Absotively

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by stevierayk

I've defended the Nickles on this very blog.

But they are awful. That "Rock Star" song with Billy Gibbons from Zed Zed Top (Canadian version) in the video is enough to make do a Van Gogh on both of my ears.

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Blog love for KK&BBQS

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

I was really happy to see this at the end of my work day. The link is to Matthew Yglesias' blog where he was directing people to check out 'Fish Fight' from King Khan and BBQ Show. He's kind of a Canadaphile and I've seen him post links to r3 podcasts in the past too so I have an extra soft spot for him...he is also a great progressive voice and you should check him out here.

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@tb3

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

Square Bottom Knit Tie day, I like your initiative we could use a guy like you around here. I feel this could work it's way into our TaTT as a sub-category on every 3rd Tuesday

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@ slkdsb

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Good post. Nicely laid out. Makes sense, all of it.

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by stevierayk

I left a word out of my last post.

pity

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@Benoit

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Yeah, but I've heard a fair number of parents complain that unsolicited advice is generally annoying, especially from childless folks. And way too common. And Cathyort wasn't really soliciting advice, so far as I can tell. So I should have known better; I'm sure Cathyort can figure out how to deal with her daughter's music spending habits much better than I can.

Thanks for the vote of confidence in my advice-giving, though!

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HI! :)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by adaline

Hey Hannah, Zack and Tom!!

I'm so excited to be listening to you right now! I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that Vancouver has had such a fantastic amount of attention lately with you guys, Dan, Said The Whale, Mother Mother etc. Well deserved.

LOT'S OF LOVE!

adaline ;)

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@boders

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

Yes I am taking part in Movember and I look forward to your donation.

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Christine McAvoy

Tariq tell Zach I miss him...<3

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@stevierayk

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Yeah, that song is awful. But I mean, it doesn't even compare to My Humps in terms of awfulness, and the BEP seem to be way more popular. And there are probably many other examples of musicians I dislike more than Nickelback that are also more successful than Nickelback*, so why is it Nickelback that we pick on?

*Not that I'm going to try to find more examples, mind you.

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@Absotively

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by stevierayk

Could you imagine Creedleback doing My Humps?

That would be awesome.

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@ Abso (67)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

Nickelback.

VERY visible (most selling Canuck band these days?), presence in the States, etc., etc.

Often, music in itself is not the only determinant of the like/don't like reaction. Um, decision. Nickelback is sort of Mullet Big Rock, and the cool kids I know are into all sorts of music and hip-hop, but not Metal or Big Hair Rock.

That is the kind of underlying "I belong with/don't associate with" consideration at play, I think.

In sum, Nickelback is the most pivotal band in Canada these days that a lot of people don't want to be associated with.

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@ Abso (75)

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

True, unsolicited advice is often worth every penny paid for it.

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My Humps

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by MusicSoop

Much better than Fergie Solo and "London Bridge".

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by jillenium00

I bough a Lotus Child Album! Heard them on CBC R3 and loved it. I had no idea that they are now the Zolas.

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ties and moustaches and Sunshine Dick...

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Bio Spice

Hey Keydive, I'd be curious to hear what Mr. Dick Johnson thinks of your TaTT initiative. I think he'd be proud and a little optimistic for the future of our generation...

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Most certainly!

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by AlexOfAnders

I think out of the things I spend the most on in order it would be shelter (aka rent), food, music, beer. I'm pretty sure I spend more on concerts, merch and records than most anything other than base necessities. I go to a few shows a month, buy merch often and buy records whenever I come across something I really like. I used to illegally download music a lot but I've found that bands give enough of their music for free that I can get a feel for their music before buying it without having to do anything illegal. I would say this is a case where you should set your content free, it just helps me make my choice on where to spend my dollars. If I can't listen, download or access a band's songs at all, how am I supposed to know I'll like it enough to buy an album?

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@Stevie R, Benoit

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Ok, yes, Nickelback doing My Humps would be awesome. Probably even better than Alanis Morissette's version.

And I'm aware that they stand for more than themselves in these debates. I just don't think it's fair to them that people say "all Nickelback's music is awful" when what they mean is "I don't like mullet rock."

Plus also, I have a bit of a soft spot for big hair rock, which may skew my perspective on the whole thing.

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Hannah G.

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by MusicSoop

I hope she brings CDs to her upcoming show at the Hotel Cafe in LA. I was all set to buy a disc from Hawksley at his last show but it seems like about half the Canadians don't bring CDs with them.

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@Alex

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by tb3

p.s. Thanks for the Movember Donation! Yours is coming tonight!

Also, so you know, on the topic of buying music. I am working on trying to find that vinyl copy of Bay of Pigs in my neck of the woods. And trust me if I ever do come across it, and there's two copies, I will grab one for you too.

Which also reminds me, I am also voting for it too.

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@Bio Spice

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by keydive

I will have to try to be on the blog early enough to mention the initiative during his next show.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by boders

If you couple Alex's post with the great one by slkdsb (#64) a great picture is formed about the beauty of setting content free.

Plus it's forced companies to innovate; who doesn't love purchasing vinyl that comes with a digital copy as well (a la Arts and Crafts). Thanks to that I can groove to Most Serene Republic on the SkyTrain home or lower the needle on the vinyl at home and relax.

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re: Live on CBC Radio 3: New Release Tuesday w/ The Zolas

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by brainwash

I'd buy an indie CD for sure, but I think the last "mainstream" CD I bought was MC Esoteric's "Egoclapper" from 2007. Besides that, I still buy vinyl by the ton, as I've always had a lot of it from my youth and I always felt it was a better purchase, especially in light of how buying CD's turned in to me ripping CDs to my ipod and rarely listening to what I purchased since, whereas with records, sure I download the exact same tracks but I also like to blare it through my old stereo all the same.

Concerts too, but that's another bag.

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Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by winky

as a student i hardly have any leftover cash for luxuries. but i don't count music as a luxury. it's an essential necessity.

just recently i realised 'i really need a haircut & a wardrobe update.' sometimes i forget that i can't spend all my money on albums & live shows.

i don't download music ilegally. instead i download podcasts and tracks made available for free by the artist.

i normally buy my records after a show. but every now & then i'll make buy a stack of albums in-store just to support the local record stores.

the most i ever spent all at once was at a Buck 65 show. i had a jar on my desk that i would drop pocket change into for several months leading up to the show. it was an incredible show & afterward i was glad to contribute my support & buy all of his albums that i didn't yet have. plus, a scratch bastid cd.

a few weeks later he had $5000 worth of gear stolen. hmph.

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@tb3

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by AlexOfAnders

I'm glad that at the very least there's two of us championing Bay of Pigs. I have a feeling that there's got to be someone who ends up putting their Bay of Pigs vinyl into the "used" bin. It seems like one of those polarizing songs that some people just can't stand but for me, I've never had a song that has continually pulled me more and more into upon every listen. I hope that we can find that album someday, I know if I manage to somehow come across two I'll pick up a copy for you as well.

No worries on the donation, just getting your stache money growing and like I said, it'd feel super lametown to donate to my own moustache.

@ Everybody: Feeling generous? Why not donate to fight prostate cancers and the wonderous growth of facial hairs , tb3 & keydive are both fighting the good fight too so spread that generosity around.

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@ Abso; note to Bio Spice

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Benoit from Ottawa

You: "just don't think it's fair to them that people say "all Nickelback's music is awful" when what they mean is "I don't like mullet rock."

Quite right. Most people in N.America "don't do subtle"*. So it's "I hate this", and mostly (gawd save us) "that's awesome!". (I want that word deep-sixed forever.)

But back to mulletmusic™. Everyone's entitled to have broad tastes and not to have to apologise for a thing.

It's a matter of taste. Personal taste.

Got to go, bye for now.

*Heard this attributed to George DoubleYou Bush, as in "we (Americans) don't do subtle. More's the pity when it's true.

P.s. to Bio Spice: sorry I had to leave a little early (around seven) the other evening. Had to. Talk next time (which I suspect may be soon).

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@Benoit

Posted on Nov 03, 2009 by Absotively

Oh, I wasn't apologizing. I just thought it might be relevant to mention.

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