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Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

Posted by Tariq Hussain on Nov 24, 2009

Today's Guests:  Trevor Chan of No Luck Club & Rich Aucoin

I was reading up on a band called The Slew yesterday thinking I was going to get to see them play last night. For a while, I was excited believing I would get to see this band featuring drums bass, Kid Koala and SIX turntables!  Imagine my disappointment when I realized I had gotten the date wrong (they played last month) and further disappointment when I discovered The Slew would likely only tour once - ever!

I'll admit, I don't go to see a lot of DJ shows these days, nor have I in the past really. I've always leaned more towards live bands.  But it wasn't really so long ago that turntables had overtaken guitars in their appeal.  Music stores were selling more decks than Strats.  I remember when they closed The Republik in Calgary because it just wasn't profitable to host live bands anymore.  Well, the pendulum has obviously swung back now and going to see live bands is popular again - thankfully!

So I wonder:  do people even go and watch DJ's play anymore?  And when they do, are the shows just one guy spinning behind turntables?  That to me has never seemed very interesting to watch, especially in a large venue.  Interestingly enough, the DJ shows I've been to lately have all had a live band element to them.  I saw a DJ in Iceland recently that had an actual orchestra playing with him while he spun.  

That being said, I'm believe the famed DJ Tiesto played in classic DJ form here in Vancouver recently, and lots of people went nuts for it.  Here's a clip of his instore at HMV.

So as we near a new decade and the pendulum is poised to swing again, help me out with our POLL QUESTION if you will:

WHAT IMPRESSES YOU MORE - THE DJ OR THE LIVE BAND?  

What was the last DJ show you attended and what went down?  Was it just the DJ and the decks, or did something else happen?

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  1. AlexOfAnders
    01

    Since I rarely go to DJ shows

    I have to say live bands. DJ shows rarely draw me out, I've seen good DJ shows but I just don't listen to DJ stuff all that much. My brother is more into that stuff.

    That being said, I thought I heard somewhere that DJ Tiesto killed DJ culture, or was that rave culture. I dunno, I just find it funny that he's said he hates vinyl. Guess he must use something like serato.

  2. suckamc
    02

    oh my

    Live bands all the way!

  3. kendar
    03

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    I love going to live bands, but I equally love going to DJ shows.  I love thrashing and getting all sweaty on the dancefloor.  The last live DJ I went to was Vancouver's Longwalkshortdock.  It was beyond mind blowing.  

    Check it out, he kills you with techno, but the good type of killing....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYloq2kaulc

  4. tb3
    04

    Almost 100% of the time…

    The Band.

    Sorry Paolozzi, but…

    No knock against DJ's, because I do believe it takes talent and know-how, but for me playing an instrument over spinning a disc that has someone playing an instrument on it, will always resonate much more with me.

    Sure it's cool to see someone mash up beats in this musical mixing pot and turn it into something new, but a group of 3, 4, 5… or lots of people all coming together with instruments to create something just as anamorphic, but right there in front of you, as a cohesive unit, just says more to me.

  5. MackenzieC
    05

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Bands all the way!

  6. boders
    06

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    i'm not a big DJ fan in general so not in that great a place to comment. I can see enjoying myself at a show with a DJ but I'm just way to partial to the band dynamic.

    I didn't get to the Champion show in Vancouver recently (regret that) but as Tariq just said his live show is fused with a band element.

  7. pink oranges
    07

    i love any type of live show

    its all good if its done right!

    Man i've seen dj q bert\scratch bastard\scratch pickle\kid koala and they were all amazing

    to watch! another one that i would go see but havent would be "felix zenger" if you guys

    have a chance check him out!

  8. tb3
    08

    Honest Question

    In respect to DJ's and having looked at both the Tiesto and Longwalkshortdock YouTube links, I have to ask what is it that makes it "mind blowing"?

    Because seriously I get that it sounds cool, and the beats are phat and all that. But really what is it that blew your mind? And more importantly what is that sets that performance out from say Pete Tong… Underworld in their day… or any other mind blower for that matter.

    Because often I am not seeing or hearing anything mind blowing other than it sounds cool and I like it. But I don't feel like the world was just reinvented listening to it either. 

  9. renataface
    09

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    I find live shows generally unappealing because the sound quality is often terrible, and would much rather just listen to the music at home. That said, I find live dj's (as long as they're good) to be SO fun to dance to live. The sound quality is better than live shows and the energy can be really good.

  10. Absotively
    10

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    I don't think I've ever been to a live DJ show, so I'll have to say bands.

    I think one of the things I like about seeing bands is seeing the different members of the band interacting, and how the energy flows between them.  Non-solo DJ shows sound much more appealing to me than solo DJ shows.  I'm not that fond of solo non-DJ shows, either.

    On the other hand, maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

  11. kendar
    11

    Re: Honest Question

    For me, what makes some of these DJs "mind blowing" is the entire experience seeing them live.  It is an incredible adrenaline rush involving the music, audience and the DJ.

    The highs you get from seeing a live band and live DJ are completely different for me, but I love them both.  

  12. MusicSoop
    12

    Doesn't it Depend...

    Doesn't it Depend on if you plan to dance the night away or not?  I prefer bands but if I wanted to dance there's no problem with a DJ.  But I prefer live performance, like by Holy F or Chemical Brothers.

  13. anabanana
    13

    Hearts Like Bears

    It's always weird hearing theme songs being played in full.

  14. boders
    14

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    darn theme songs...great tune but my brain keeps anticipating "Ohhhhh heelllooooo!"..over and over again

  15. hgummo
    15

    @boders

    Haha me too!

  16. neoncab
    16

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    If the venue's too big to appreciate what the DJ's doing, would you notice the details of the live band either? Or would it just look like another 3, 4 or 5 guys/gals playing some instruments? Does a keyboardist, for example, do anything fundamentally different from a DJ (both pretty much just stand behind a table of some sort and work keys and dials with their hands)? In a small venue, DJs and live bands can each work but once you get too far from the stage, all you can really appreciate is the sound and the lights (which both can do equally well). It's all about the stage show so as long as they bring enough (amps, lights, props, energy,...) to fill the venue, let them play.

  17. boders
    17

    @hgummo

    and yes, my full Pavlovian response includes me salivating...not that I have a man crush on Grant or anything...

  18. mynameismoe
    18

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    i am definitely uneducated in the whole "dj" world. also, i don't dance. so pardon my limited opinion.

    i tend to prefer a live band over a dj. i love watching a band on stage. the more dynamic, the better. it can be hard to have that with a dj who has their head down focusing on the records.

    that said, i would drop nearly everything to see kid koala. i've seen scratch bastid numerous times and have been entertained. i find the stereotypical crowd that attends such shows a bit hard to deal with at times, though.

    would buck 65 fall into this category? i just have no idea how to group artists anymore.. i've seen this discussion before, and it has turned into an argument, so i am a bit hesitant to share my view. (i have faith that the r.3 listeners can debate without arguing, though!)

  19. aaadamaa
    19

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    They each have their place.

    It just depends on how you want to party really.  In my experience, the crowds are usually way more into it at a DJ show, vs. a live band.  If you just want to dance and let loose, DJ's would be the way to go.  If you want to go to appropriate the music: then go to a live band.

     

    I got the chance to see armin van buuren when he was in Halifax last march, and it blew me away!  You could feel the bass before you could even see the club, and the lasers were shining out the windows onto citadel hill!  It was basically a rave inside.  You could never get that sort of experience with a live band.

     

    On the other hand, a live band can be much more personal, and can be a pretty huge blast too, if the crowd is good.  But even an average crowd at a DJ show, is usually far more into it than a great crowd at a live band.  And there's just something about it, when a DJ takes away the beat, builds up the energy, and then basically slams the music back in your face, and the crowd just loses it as one, that does so much more than singing along with a band can.

  20. aaadamaa
    20

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Short version:Going to watch the person making music: Live band all the way.Going to party your face off:  DJ show (assuming they're good)

    It seems there are farrr more bad DJs out there than there are band bands.

  21. burgandy
    21

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    I've never been to a live DJ show, but am slight drawn into it because of the moive Groove. But nothing can beat a live show with a band. The energy from it is simply amazing on so many levels, not to mention the contact high one gets from seeing a band preform.

  22. John Paolozzi
    22

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    TB3. You had to be there.

    You had to see/hear/smell/grok what was going down. It wasn't a show/rave/party, it was a movement. It was the biggest, most mind-blowing thing to hit music since rock made waves 50 years ago. You didn't go to these things to be entertained, so much as to feel like you were part of some culture-changing event. Sounds like bullsh!t, but it's true.

    There was something happening at these things that I never came close to seeing at any show ever. Probably had something to do with the fact that the majority of people there were on a powerful empathogen, but hey... some people considered it a sacrement.

    That said, if you were just to think about it as watching the DJ, there isn't much to see usually. They hover over their decks, bob up and down a bit, and occasionally take a swig of water, or survey the crowd. Going to "see" a DJ is the wrong way to look at it. You're not there to be entertained so much as have a religious-like experience. If you didn't happen, the night was usually a bit of a bust.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm due back on planet earth.

  23. MusicSoop
    23

    Theme Songs

    Saw the Rembrandts play once and the crowd was atwitter before the show (Long before Twitter, haha) about "are they going to play the Friends theme?" and "when are they going to play the Friends theme?" and "do you think they'll open with the Friends theme?" and, of course "Do you think they'll finish with the Friends theme?".  There's whole other verses and stuff I'd never heard before.  Strange, but not bad.  It's actually kind of a fun song.  And they played it right in the middle of the set.

  24. axis
    24

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Live music, no doubt. I don't really go out to party,and I consider DJ shows party, not really performance.

    Speaking of decks, can you see mine in my profile picture? They're from the 70's, with Garrard turntables, a Traynor amp, and custom cabinetry covered in cobalt blue reptile vinyl. Sexiest deck ever.I take them to work on Sundays, and play records while I'm tending bar. It's not a sweaty dance party- more like a house party, with everybody picking out songs with me. nFun times.

  25. Absotively
    25

    @DJ fans

    Hmm.  So less energy between the performers, more between the audience?

    Maybe I need to check out some DJ shows.

    (Next month.  No time this month, must finish novel.)

  26. Lisa Christiansen
    26

    Champion

    This dj puts on the best live show ever. And you get both!

  27. boders
    27

    @Absotively

    yeah, I think i'll have to explore some DJ shows..I do always want more from the crowd at rock shows. Example: last weeks Arkells show.  The band was pouring everything into it as they always do.  Crowd wasn't bad or anything but I was still flabbergasted that I was only one in within 5 person radius of me jumping around like a fool.

    @Tariq - addendum to topic from last week: I soaked my sneakers that day and had to wear some fancier work shows. My feet still hurt, but it was worth it.

  28. brentchicken
    28

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    It's all gone, Pete Tong.

     

    Live bands for my buck - unless I wanna meet girls, then DJ shows are the way to go. No one expects a show at a DJ venue, so they make their own. I kinda like that.

  29. John Paolozzi
    29

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Just remember, if you're facing the DJ, you're doing it wrong. You're eyes should either be rolled back in your head in eccstatic bliss, or on the people around you.

    Stop thinking of it as "a live dj show". Think of it more as a music-fueled brain orgy, and you're on the right path.

  30. Absotively
    30

    @boders

    Yeah.

    I am a little confused by people who seem to think that it's only natural that no one dances at rock shows.  This is wrong!  Dancing is good!  You should dance!  So should everyone else!

    It is entirely possible to both dance and appreciate the band.  I'm not sure it's always possible to appreciate a band without dancing.  I think you miss something.

  31. tb3
    31

    @John Paolozzi

    Thanks.

    I sort of the knew the answer you were going to give.

    For what it's worth if you were to tell me something mind blowing, it seems less like hyperbole bandied about than someone saying it about Tiesto playing an HMV. Because I know you spent a good deal of time immersed in the culture as it happened, when it was new and different and perhaps, mind blowing.

    That was the 90's.

    But DJ culture now seems to be so watered down from the experience you speak about. And that's where I am questioning the validity of (finger quotes) mind blowing.

    Mind blowing to me is a bunch of people out in the middle of the desert living life as though the only world that exists is right there. No past, no future. Just now.

    Mind blowing is not some guy turning digital wheels in the front window of an HMV.

  32. boders
    32

    @Absotively

    Hear, Hear!! Imagine going to see a Library Voices show and not dancing. How sad. I'm sure you all do, but if your not, start movin it R3'er's.

  33. Bio Spice
    33

    limited experience but...

    having seen Buck65 and Kid Koala, those two shows engaged me and impressed me the same way my favourite band shows have done the same... in fact, i tend to be most impressed/engaged by solo musicians (e.g. Danny Michel solo, Hawksley Workman solo, I'd prefer any day over them with their bands)... and Buck65 and Kid Koala shows were the same vibe as a solo musician show to me.  It's them on the stage, creating the music for you in real time (from pre-recorded material, yes, but still), telling some stories.

    so i'm not necessarily talking about the same kind of DJ show that maybe is mostly being referred to above.  but those DJ experiences have really impressed me, despite my live music bent...

  34. John Paolozzi
    34

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    "But DJ culture now seems to be so watered down from the experience you speak about. And that's where I am questioning the validity of (finger quotes) mind blowing."

    Yeah, I'll agree with this statement. There was a drug-addled innocences to those days that'll never come back. You actually had to believe that something radically new was happening, and back then it really was. Now that electronic music is used to sell everything from sneakers to mortgages, all while the core culture is still being persecuted, it's no wonder it's a watered down version of itself.

    --

    "Mind blowing to me is a bunch of people out in the middle of the desert living life as though the only world that exists is right there. No past, no future. Just now."

    Yeah, it's called Burning Man.

    --

    "Mind blowing is not some guy turning digital wheels in the front window of an HMV."

    No, it's definitely not.

  35. Amanda Putz
    35

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Just put on my headphones to hear Trevor telling the story of the workshop at Regina Folk Fest. I was there, it was AMAZING. In fact, you can watch/listen here as I put it on the yew toob.

  36. Absotively
    36

    @boders

    I haven't seen Library Voices, so I was thinking of Spiral Beach.  I suspect it's the same, in that if you aren't dancing then I don't even know why you're there.

  37. lalala123
    37

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

  38. Bio Spice
    38

    nice, Amanda!

    the woman has a you tube link for every story! 

  39. boders
    39

    @Amanda Putz

    Thanks for the link to that video.  

    Last week I was lucky enough to win an R3 scarf during Lana's show.  My brothers girlfriend swears she heard her name as one of the winners of the 3 you were giving away for the trivia question regarding sending music to Afghanistan.  I told her that I got an email from Lana yesterday regarding my scarf and now she is very sad and worried that she hasn't received notification from you.  Can I just tell her it's in the mail so she calms down..as you know R3's are pretty crazy about the scarf

  40. tb3
    40

    @John Paolozzi

    I have a friend from University that hosted on our campus station. He was always into something well ahead of the curve. We always regarded him in the very highest of places when it came to his opinion and ideas of where music was headed.

    He ended up, I think pretty much experiencing everything that you did, at that same time as you did, when it was new. He dijayed, and I think made himself a name doing so. And he pretty much shares your opinions now.

    And like you, I trust what he says is true, because like I always I knew that though, I might not 'get it' it have experienced it like he (and you), that his ideas about it all pure.

    He still, once-a-year escapes to a secret place in the middle of the woods for a day-night-day experience rekindling the magic that was the scene, when it was new. And in that, I totally respect and get it, by proxy.

    Like when you talk about Burning Man.

    (Did you like how I put that on the tee for you?)

  41. tagish156
    41

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    My vote goes for the live band as well.  I won't not go to a DJ set but its been my experience that the bands are more entertaining.  I agree with aadamaa if I'm goin to party a DJ show is fun, but if I plan on staying sober I'd rather rock out to a band.  

    I was lucky enough to get a coveted ticket to one of those TD Music Experience Concerts with The Stills, k-os, and Girl Talk.  I enjoyed The Stills and k-os(he even played with a live band as opposed to just s DJ), I ended up leaving during Girl Talk.  I quite like Girl Talk, his mixes are quite good to listen to before going out somewhere, but this was an all ages show, I was stone sober and just did not have the energy to compete with all the sweaty high school kidz rubbing up against me.  Had I had a little liquor to loosen me up I might have stayed, Girl Talk was putting on a good show, I just wasn't into it.

  42. John Paolozzi
    42

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    "(Did you like how I put that on the tee for you?)"

    How could I have missed that pitch?

  43. Amanda Putz
    43

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Hey boders, if your brother's lady is named Meghan Eddy from Thunder Bay Ontario, then yes, she's a winner. If not, she's a loser. Just kidding! She just won't have a scarf to keep her warm.

  44. boders
    44

    @Amanda Putz

    Yep, that is her!! Awesome. Thanks Amanda

  45. Crawford
    45

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Don't sleep on  DJs. 

    I saw Daft Punk a few years back and it was one of the best shows Iv ever seen.

    Really, it comes down to what you like more, and on CBC Radio 3, its safe to say that the majority of people will side with the live band over the DJ.

  46. ArtKid
    46

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    I've never been to a DJ show, but I'd rather see a live band.  That said, if there was a dJ that I really loved, I'd want to go see them, but I'm not so much into that type of music.  So I'd say band.

  47. effigy
    47

    The Republik is Dead!!!???

    What!!! Oh no, a little more of my youth has been lost... Sigh...  In other news I just discovered "Sex with Strangers" Wow new album is great!  Why are they not on the R30 yet?. I know they will be, oh yes they will be....

    Here is their brand new video!!!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIRYuP6Ltng

  48. Tariq Hussain
    48

    @effigy re. Republik

    It might have re-opened again in the last few years I think.  The first 'closure' I speak of happened quite a few years ago when live music venues everywhere were struggling it seemed.

  49. brentchicken
    49

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    Stop thinking of it as "a live dj show". Think of it more as a music-fueled brain orgy, and you're on the right path.

    That's how EVERY show should be...live band or dj.

    I remember the Republik in the 90s...saw Hayden there in his solo growly days while waiting for DOA to open up on the crowd...and one thing I ALWAYS liked about the Republik then, it was time to party down.

    Then I moved to Toronto. Land of the Satndstills. Whu...? I think the lamest one was when C'Mon was blowing the stage apart with their wicked show - and no one moved. Even when they waltzed right into the crowd to rock it. I just DON'T get it. The highest compliment you can give a live band is freakin out to their awesome tunes, so get up on it!

    Basides, it's funner that way.

  50. hgummo
    50

    @Tariq

    Are you talking about Republik in Calgary? Sorry, I missed your interview. If so, it reopened (very) briefly but then they had some major roof problems and now it has closed again.

  51. Tariq Hussain
    51

    @ hgummo

    Yeah Calgary's Republik.  Thanks for the info - good to know.

  52. brentchicken
    52

    re: Live on CBC Radio 3: DJ's vs. Bands w/ Trevor Chan and Rich Aucoin

    'Favourite Arties'

    My new word of the week. Along with 'funner'.

  53. Benoit from Ottawa
    53

    @ mynameismoe (18)

    Buck 65: I put him between rap and slam poetry, although he's no stranger to music -- obviously, given Rich Terfry, right? But he's closer to a beat poet, thoughtful and deep.

    IMNSHO, anywho.

    (Now, back to reading 32+ posts!)

  54. Benoit from Ottawa
    54

    oooooh, @ moe again

    Ooops, true, I missed a show by B65, where he was spinning records! So I was probably way off your question!

  55. Jennifer Aikman
    55

    @ anabanana re: Overheard on R3

    Hey there,

    Just so you know, you've been selected for this week's Overheard on R3! Digging your playlists, btw.

     

    Jenn

  56. Benoit from Ottawa
    56

    @ brentchicken (49)

    The standstills, love it.

    Ottawa can be like that sometimes. especially when unsure.

    When The Arcade Fire played the Sheep a few years ago, that Fall when they broke big, I had been tol it might be fabulous. Still, the band has to move me. I'm a skeptic or something.

    The Arcade Fire moved me. Seriously.

    The tables and chairs had been cleared away so more people could stand, and I was soon bopping to the rhythms; at one point, being by the stage, I turned to watch the crowd.

    The crowd, mostly young, were glued to the linoleum tiles. Oh, there was some movement, but...

    Couldn't believe it, 'cause know it or not in advance, the music was indeed fabulous.

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