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Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

Posted by Lana Gay on Oct 21, 2009

According to The Guardian, a coalition of managers and record label execs are working on a legal clause that will enable labels to 'suspend' (not pay) any self harming artist (too stoned/drunk) until they are in a suitable state (rehab?). It’s been nicknamed “The Michael Jackson Clause”

Is this a good idea?

Though I’m not promoting drug use (disclaimer!) if it weren’t for them, we’d miss a hell of a lot of great albums. Revolver! Rumours! Are You Experienced! David Bowie’s brain should look like swiss cheese because of the album Station to Station!  He doesn’t even remember recording it! According to biographer David Buckley, Bowie wrote the album while in an LA Mansion full of mummy artifacts while surviving on the gastronomically nightmarish diet of cocaine, milk and peppers. Speaking of nightmares, he was convinced The Stones were sending him secret messages, bodies were falling past his window and witches were trying to steal his semen.  And because of it, we have songs like "Golden Years."        

However, my references involve artists that were still able to do their job. If you’ve ever been to a show where the band shows up obliterated for a 12 minute set, well, perhaps it would make sense to pull them gig. Still, that could be a memorable show.  Apparently in the 70’s George “No Show” Jones was so wasted he did an entire set in the voice of Donald Duck (I wish I was there for that.)

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  1. Silvorgold
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    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I saw Stone Temple Pilots in concert in Quebec City, that was the only time I've ever seen a musician wasted beyond belief. He was stumbling around on stage with a bottle of whiskey in a paper bag and slurring the words to his song and there were 100k in audience!

     

    Apparently hours earlier he punched a city cop and was sent to jail. I don't know how he would have been able to get out in time to perform at a show.. and still act like an ass

  2. brainwash
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    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    yEAH,

  3. brainwash
    03

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Yeah, I'm right split on the matter too. I'm sure we all have our favorite drug-enduced albums (Bloodsugarsexmagik is mine), but the times when you wait at a show for ages for the act to show up, and they do with only a few minutes left to spare (Brian Jonestown Massacre at Richards on Richards comes to mind) and basically use that time to trash as much of the joint as they can leaves me thinking ... ease up boys, go get some pizza on yoru way to the show!

  4. brainwash
    04

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Apparently I should ease up and get some pIZZA tOO, yEAH!

  5. MoniSki
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    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I don't know what to think. 

    It's not my place to judge, but if the drugs and such affects the way you play then it's not a good idea. However, if you want to do it, and it makes you more "creative" then sure. 

    I just don't get when singers drink lots of beer. I remember learning about how it can negatively affect your vocal folds and can inhibit you from singing correctly, etc. I believe Grant had a speech expert on his show talking about it once too. If you want to stick around for years to come, stick to the H2O! 

    However, if a they want to have some sex, go for it. I'm sure it helps :P 

  6. kn0ttyn3rb
    06

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I think if an artist is too stoned/drunk to the point of threatening their lives, to the point that even their signed labels are concerned, getting paid is the least of their concerns and should seek medical help immediately. Self harming behaviours like drug abuse shouldn't be seen part of the way of life and bravado of artists, just like how cutting shouldn't be seen as normal behaviour for angsty teens. This was my initial reaction as a counselling student.

    And logically, in any other job, you'd fire employees for being drunk/stoned on the job... even within the artistic/creative sectors. If people don't take care of their own bodies, they probably wouldn't be great investments. I think by relying on individuals harming themselves to make a profit for you is not only bad business but ethically bankrupt.

  7. Absotively
    07

    I don't trust major labels

    It sounds like under this clause, the labels stand to benefit financially from making up drug problems: "the good news is, your album's gone gold and we are making tons of money off it.  The bad news is, we heard you had a beer before a show last week, so we're going to stop paying you."

    I don't trust the major labels to worry about anything except their bottom line, so I don't think they should have this much authority to watch an artists' health.

    That doesn't mean that something shouldn't be done, or that involving the labels somehow is necessarily bad.

  8. Mod Maid
    08

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    The Replacements would have never been signed or played one show if this rule exisited back in the day..

     

  9. kn0ttyn3rb
    09

    to add to previous comment

    "life threatening" is the big caveat in my last comment.

    as for not paying an artist because they were too drunk/high/...sexed out?/etc. to perform, I'm not quite sure how that would be monitored or determined. "You stumbled 3 times on stage! no paycheque!"

  10. ritt1984
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    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I think making any sort of sanction across the board is a sticky situation, individuals should be treated as such and action should be taken on a case by case basis. It's undeniable that drugs have influenced amazing music, in the same vein, they've also been the pitfall of many great artists. Addiction comes hand in hand with affliction and should be addressed for the health of the individual at hand, however, recreational use is one's personal perogative and so long as it doesn't infringe upon their health or anyone elses, I don't see the issue. The idea of this beind called the "m j clause" makes me cringe, there has been too much ridiculous hype regarding MJ and surely many others before him have fallen to substances, "controlled" or "uncontrolled" that have effected their performance, their art, their lives, so my question is, why now?

  11. Absotively
    11

    Why this?

    What led them to decide this was an effective way to deal with addictions, anyways?  It sounds to me like it was influenced more by a very special episode of [insert TV show here] than by people who deal with addiction treatment and such.  Is there any evidence that if someone has a drug problem, and interventions from their family and friends have failed, then not paying them will work?

  12. brentchicken
    12

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Bah, do it - do it all. It's rock, not church. Break out the make out, as the Maynards say.

  13. Absotively
    13

    You know what's wrong with the comments here?

    Not enough muppets.

    Just sayin'.

  14. jillenium00
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    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Theres a lot of great music out there that is a drect or indirect results of drug-induced high highs and low lows, but if a performer can't get through their set on stage that I paid a pricey ticket for, I want my money back! And it shouldn't be the venue or ticket holders that are liable.

    However, if the artist is managed by a label. That label should be responsible for making sure the artist gets the help they need, not just taking away their allowance.

    Other drugs aside, I've never seen a an artist that played better drunk. As an audience member, however, booze has definately turned a show from bland to grand in 4oz's flat!

  15. LimeJello
    15

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Hello Again from Seattle,

    I say "Better Living Through Recreational Pharmaceuticals"

    Signed

    Dr. Noodle

     

    ps.Hi Lana!  :-)

  16. defeatism
    16

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    If Arsenio Hall ever launches a successful comeback, I'm going to take that as a societal validation of drug use and a complete rejection of sex and good times.

    (Disclaimer!)

  17. mcfflyer
    17

    Wow, I come out of a meeting to find today's subject...

    Lana, this is quite a subject to cover, on that probably will result in longer responses than usual.  As someone who watched the popular drug culture explode in the 1960s, I've seen those who came out fine on the other side - and those who perished by their own excesses.  As for artists, besides those who did overdose, I think of one artist whose abuses pretty much destroyed his creativity - Brian Wilson, founder of the Beach Boys.  Some of the most fun, most "singalongable" songs ever, but as the drugs overwhelmed him, his music, once very accessible became so odd and at time, bizarre, that today we think of him as Good Vibrations, Wouldn't It Be Nice and I Get Around.  Songs written over 40 years ago.  Its amazing he survived - and even more amazing - has outlived his brothers.

    As for me, I never have - not even once - and don't feel I missed anything.  But maybe I was just lucky. 

    Lee Hower - Sacramento, California

  18. rugbysk
    18

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I think we can make a list a mile long of mucisians who died as a result of drug and alcohol abuse, and more often then not the music goes to crap as well.

    Here is an interesting thought though.  Is substance abuse a sad side affect of some artist's skill?  Does the inate ability that makes a great musician also make them prone to addiction?

  19. defeatism
    19

    Uncontroversial Opinion

    Without drugs, Montreal would not be the epicentre of great music it is today.

    Also, Vancouver.

    Total coincidence that R3 and Bandeàpart are HQ'd in those cities, I'm sure.

  20. MoniSki
    20

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Didn't Billy Joel write his music while abusing alcohol? His music is so sad too. Poor guy. But I suppose if he had never gone through that downward spiral we wouldn't have the great songs he has made. It's a catch-22 I suppose. However, it's to bad no one was there to help him at some point. 

    Drugs and the bottle aren't cool kids. 

  21. Benoit from Ottawa
    21

    I read comments 'til Absotively's...

    ...who stated my opinion entirely. None of their effing business.

    They are in a conflict-of-interest position, which disallows them as judges.

  22. EncodedTitle
    22

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    It is ultimatley the musicians decision about drug use, they might end up ruining their lives and killing themselves, but its their choice and part of their identity, this is not something about a musician that should be decided on by the music industry.

  23. brentchicken
    23

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I just gotta say, this setlist is BOSS.

    Hi-5, Ms. Gay!

  24. Absotively
    24

    @EncodedTitle

    I agree that anyone's choice to use/abuse drugs is ultimately their choice.  But I don't think it's always wrong to try to influence that choice (although I don't agree with the particular kind of influence under discussion).

  25. Benoit from Ottawa
    25

    Great artist drunk

    Not passing-out drunk. Just seemingly too drunk and slurry to give a good show.

    Goes on stage. Gives an epic show for an hour and a half or more:

    Geoff Berner.

    (a.k.a. The Whiskey Rabbi, just like his song)

     

    http://www.geoffberner.com/lyrics.htm

  26. Lana Gay
    26

    @ brentchicken

    High-5 returned! Thanks friend!

  27. pink oranges
    27

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    sex and rock and roll is all i need!

    alot of sex and alot of music is what everybody needs

     

  28. Benoit from Ottawa
    28

    My opinion, snarky-style

    Sure! Let's infantilise musicians and parentify managers and music industry bigshots.

    Seems fair.

    After all they don't do drugs and get into problems ever.

  29. brentchicken
    29

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I imagine it must be scary as H E dubble hockey sticks to get up in front of God knows how many strangers and let it all hang out. Whatever it might take to take the edge off, I guess is where the trouble starts...but for the label to dictate it? Who wants chaperoned shows?

  30. TheRadioHead
    30

    @Benoit from Ottawa

    Funny you say that.  The theatre  he played in here had no liquor license, so he was the only one drinking "coffee".

     

    Honestly though, I was not sure he was as intoxicated as he made out to be.  Having just had seen him at the Folk Fest a couple months earlier, I think some of that is his affect.

     

    I have not doubt he can/could put it away hard, though.

  31. high and mighty
    31

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    This seems moderatly rediculous. As you said drugs have been involved in (and partially responsible) for many of the great songs in the past. It's no doubt that some of the more spicy drugs inhibit creativity, but to put it in simple terms; anything that comes from the ground is probably sound.

    In summation, this seems like music lables compensating for the download phenomena by only hiring the most productive "artists".

  32. AlexOfAnders
    32

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I'm with Pink Oranges, sex and rock & roll is all you need. I'm high on life! (as long as life is full of sex and rock & roll)

  33. tagish156
    33

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I think artists should be free to do what they want.  Drugs and alcohol have had positive and negative affects on a great many careers.  While it is horrible that we lose so much talent to substance abuse I don't think it is within the labels right to control what their clients do.  How much concern do they genuinely have for their clients and how much are they worried about losing money because of damage to an artist's image?

  34. high and mighty
    34

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    What's better frequent sex or freqeunt joints and beers?  Both tend to cary negative connotations except you don't get the clap from chugging or puffing.

  35. tagish156
    35

    Songs about booze

    How about Beer by 24 Hour Church of Beer?

  36. MONDAYSMAN
    36

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    Yar Yar . Hear Hear . Pas me another Beer my Dear .

  37. gunitpants
    37

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    well call me serious sam but i can see where the exec's are coming, with regards that popular music today is a business first and a creative output second. from what i'm getting, this is much more about these people trying to protect their investments for the long run. certain substance have evolved as the years have gone by ie. crack wasn't so much around in the 60's but it sure is now, or meth nowadays is vastly more lethal then early versions. it makes business sense to not just stand by and let events transpire when someone is fully aware of them and could move to stop them. i'm not agreeing with this idea but i certainly see where they are coming from trying to protect the longevity of their investments.

  38. spartucusjones
    38

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I'm not oppose to family & friends intervening when someone is self destructing. From the record company end is there concern truly for the artist well being or the bottom line? Of course in any profession if you can't perform your job then you risk being fired, but if someone can perform the job is it the employers place to interfere in personal matters?

  39. jmikelittle
    39

    re: Today on Lanarama: No Drugs? What Would Music be with Just Sex & Rock n'Roll?

    I might be tempted to see the Trews now

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